Indien - Aktuelles zum LCA "Tejas" Programm

[Deino]

Wie man erkennen kann, basiert die Maschine auf dem Zweisitzer ...

 

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Hier ein ganz interessanter Link zu SUPER-Fotos des kleinen fighters !!

http://kedar.smugmug.com/gallery/7577828_Wicwz#489837778_L9NKe

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Aktuellste technische Daten ... (laut ADA/HAL)

 

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In post 74 war's noch ein Cockpit im Bau ... hier ein fertiges aus den LSP-Typen !

(Quelle: Key-Forum)


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[Deino]

Zwei interessante New's zum LCA-Programm - eine gute und eine schlechte ... !

1. SNECMA's Angebot zur Entwicklungshilfe bzw. Überarbeitung des Kaveri scheinen die von der IAF gewünschten Anforderungen nicht zu erfüllen und demnach scheint man sich inzwischen davon zu verabschieden, dass das LCA jemals mit dem Kaveri zum Einsatz kommen wird. Das Aggregat ist insgesamt seit 20 in Entwicklung .... :(

Snecma offer did not meet IAF requirements

BANGALORE: It’s final: the indigenous Kaveri aero engine, under development at the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) for 20 years with the specific objective of powering the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, will now not fulfil that task.

The LCA will not be operationalised with the Kaveri, since GTRE will not be able to satisfy the Indian Air Force’s requirement for a low altitude, high speed engine with a thrust of at least 90 kilo Newton (kN) within the extended timeframe, weight or volume.

GTRE officials told The Hindu that they hoped a Kaveri engine co-developed by the GTRE and the French aero engine house Snecma could at least become, in the distant future, the power for the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA) that is still to be designed. “The IAF agrees that the MCA should be designed around a 90 kN thrust Snecma-GTRE Kaveri engine. The Kaveri could be tested on the LCA, but the aircraft won’t be operationalised.”
Conditions not met

The final blow for the Kaveri engine project, which was launched in 1989 as “the engine for the LCA,” and which has cost the exchequer over Rs. 2,000 crore in development, comes after the IAF rejected the offer from Snecma to co-develop the Kaveri along with the GTRE.

In 2005, after GTRE indicated that it would not be able to develop the core technology (hot end parts) for the Kaveri on its own, help was sought: France’s Snecma and Russia’s NPO Saturn made offers to collaborate with the GTRE, the former being pre-selected as the technical partner.

The IAF’s rejection of the French offer comes after a committee, headed by Air Vice-Marshal M. Matheswaran, pointed out that the Snecma offer did not meet the Air Force’s performance (air staff) requirements, did not give the GTRE the core engine technology it was looking for, and did not help eliminate deficiencies in the Kaveri’s design.

“Assimilate” technology

Both Snecma and the GTRE contested the IAF’s stand, saying that the relevant design technology would, in stages, be assimilated to the Indian defence laboratories.

According to Snecma’s chairman and chief executive officer Philippe Petitcolin, his company could pass on the design and manufacturing technology to Indian entities as soon as it “could assimilate it.” Mr. Petitcolin told The Hindu that collaboration could save the GTRE at least 20 years in developing an aero engine.

The IAF committee, which also has members from other key constituents of the LCA programme, suggested restructuring of the GTRE, with research and development being made the area of focus. “GTRE had unrealistically promised to make the Kaveri operational in seven years,” an IAF official said.

Damit scheint sich in Indien nun endgültig die chinesische Geschichte - wenn auch mit anderen Schauspielern und im Einfall anderen Hintergründen - zu wiederholen: Unrealistische Erwartungen seitens der Politik, viel zu hohe Anforderungen seitens der Luftwaffe, vollkommen falsche Einschätzung der eigenen technologischen Fähigkeiten/Fertigkeiten, wiederholtes Überarbeiten der Leistungsvorgaben und damit notwendige Updates von Maschine + Aggregat und nicht zu haltende Versprechungen seitens der Industrie ...

Etwas positiver stimmt dagegen dies ....


2. Die Bodentests in Vorbereitung zum Erstflug des letzten Ptototypen PV-5 - des ersten Zweisitzers - laufen gerade, so dass der Erstflug bald ansteht.

LCA PV-5 twin seater first flight soon..

BY:Express News Service

The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) programme has achieved another significant breakthrough as its final prototype vehicle PV-5 will soon take to the skies. The PV-5, one of the five prototype vehicles developed by the Aeronautical Development Agency is ready with the Engine Ground Run currently being carried on.

Defence Research and Development Organisation sources told Express that the Engine Ground Run for the PV-5, a two-seat trainer prototype is currently being carried out, before it can be certified to fly.

“The Engine Ground Run precedes the low-speed taxi trial and the high speed taxi-trials, following which the first flight of the aircraft will take place,” said sources. “Once the weather improves the taxi trial will be carried and so will the first flight of the PV-5,” sources added.

Unlike the other four prototypes (PV-1, PV-2,PV-3,PV-4) and the two technology demonstrator (TD-1 and TD-2) aircraft, the PV-5 apart from being a two-seat trainer version of the LCA will be identical to the fighter.

It will be fully combat capable and could be used in that role.

The LCA has completed 1,141 Test Flights successfully as on June 25.

ADA, the technology development agency for the indigenous LCA programme, hopes to get the Initial Operational Clearance before being inducted in the IAF by 2010. IAF plans to have seven LCA squadrons.

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wenn schon nicht viel berichten ist: HAL hat mit dem (?) Tejas in der 3. Juniwoche Nachtflüge durchgeführt ...

 

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.... und (wenn auch in Falschfarben) die Waffenerprobung wurde fortgesetzt.

 

[Achill]

Hallo,

Indien ersucht Angebote von General Electric und Eurojet für das Tejastriebwerk.

defencenet

MfG Achill

 

[Deino]

Heute ein recht eigenartiger "Nachtrag" vom Zweisitzer PV-5. Die Fotoserie stammt aus einem koreanischen Blog ... ohne Fotoangaben, kein Copyright :?! ...

Gefunden - und dort in GROSS zu betrachten - bei Shiv Aroor's Blog

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/07/photos-lca-trainer.html

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[Don_Jupp]

Zwei interessante New's zum LCA-Programm - eine gute und eine schlechte ... !

1. SNECMA's Angebot zur Entwicklungshilfe bzw. Überarbeitung des Kaveri scheinen die von der IAF gewünschten Anforderungen nicht zu erfüllen und demnach scheint man sich inzwischen davon zu verabschieden, dass das LCA jemals mit dem Kaveri zum Einsatz kommen wird. Das Aggregat ist insgesamt seit 20 in Entwicklung .... :(

Damit scheint sich in Indien nun endgültig die chinesische Geschichte - wenn auch mit anderen Schauspielern und im Einfall anderen Hintergründen - zu wiederholen: Unrealistische Erwartungen seitens der Politik, viel zu hohe Anforderungen seitens der Luftwaffe, vollkommen falsche Einschätzung der eigenen technologischen Fähigkeiten/Fertigkeiten, wiederholtes Überarbeiten der Leistungsvorgaben und damit notwendige Updates von Maschine + Aggregat und nicht zu haltende Versprechungen seitens der Industrie ...

Etwas positiver stimmt dagegen dies ....

2. Die Bodentests in Vorbereitung zum Erstflug des letzten Ptototypen PV-5 - des ersten Zweisitzers - laufen gerade, so dass der Erstflug bald ansteht.
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Natürlich hat man sich überschätzt (vor allem alles alleine bauen zu wollen), aber man muss auch berücksichtigen das die Entwicklung Anfang der 90ziger durch eine Wirtschaftskriese in Indien und später durch die Sanktionen nach den Atomwaffentests deutlich zurückgeworfen wurde.
Freue mich trotzdem ab nächstem Jahr die ersten Tejas im aktivem Dienst zu sehn und und bin sehr auf die weiterentwickelte Variante mit AESA und neuem Triebwerk (hoffentlich von Eurojet) gespannt.

.... und (wenn auch in Falschfarben) die Waffenerprobung wurde fortgesetzt.

Wer sagt das die Farben falsch sind?

http://curiouslaura.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/india-flag-jpg.jpeg

 

[Deino]

Nette Diashow ...

http://slide.mil.news.sina.com.cn/slide_8_235_897.html

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[Deino]

Leider immer noch keine konkreten Info - geschweige denn Fotos - vom Zweisitzer, ABER ...

EXCLUSIVE: LCA To Receive "HF" Designation Next Year

At this time next year, India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, is near certain to receive a long due HF ("Hindustan Fighter") designation just ahead of initial operational clearance (IOC), after which the ubiquitous "LCA" tag will be dropped and serve only as its type description. A senior Air Force officer told me recently that while designating the fighter was scarcely a priority at this juncture, a file was in motion containing possible HF designations based on various parameters. HAL has been periodically questioned about why the LCA doesn't already have an HF tag. Stands to reason, actually. HAL's under development intermediate jet trainer, Sitara, already has its final designation HJT-36 (Hindustan Jet Trainer), and HAL's yet-t0-begin development ab-initio trainer already has the designation HTT-40 (Hindustan Turbo Trainer). So it isn't really clear why the Tejas hasn't received its rightful lineage designation, after all, it is India's first fighter jet after the Marut of the sixties, which had its own venerable designation, HF-24.

So then, the HF-X Tejas, it shall be.

© Shiv Aroor

... ich hab mich schon lange gefragt, warum das nicht früher passiert ist ?? das LCA bekommt nun endlich auch eine eigene HF-Bezeichnung.

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IAF Conducts Multi-Disciplinary Trial of LCA

Moving closer to achieving Initial Operational Capability configuration for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) by end of 2010, the Air Force conducted five-week multi-disciplinary trials of a pair of indigenous fighters at its Jamnagar air base.

"The trials entailed flight envelope expansion in various stores configurations, as well as air-to-ground weapon delivery trials in different modes of weapon delivery," a DRDO official said here today.

The LCA successfully demonstrated its ability to tackle targets designated visually by the pilot, officials added.

After this phase, officials said that the LCA will be enabled by its on-board navigation and attack computers to take on targets, which are not visible to the pilot. The five-week trials were conducted by the flight test crew of the National Flight Test Centre (NFTC) including their test pilots, flight test engineers and instrumentation specialists.

"This was the first time that the Tejas aircraft have operated away from home base for so long," officials said.

LCA is expected to be inducted into the IAF in initial operational capability (IOC) by December 2010. ...

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?667883

 

[Don_Jupp]

Bilder von den Tests:

 

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Noch eins:

 

[Deino]

Na ... vielleicht endlich ein schwacher Silberstreif am Horizont !

IAF orders more Tejas LCAs to replace MiG-21s
Ajai Shukla / Bangalore November 23, 2009, 0:45 IST

The Indian Air Force is taking a crucial step towards accepting the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) as a replacement for its ageing MiG-21 fighters. Senior air force officers told Business Standard that IAF was ordering a second Tejas squadron (20 aircraft), in addition to the 20 fighters already on order.

“The Tejas, even with its current GE-404 engine, is a better fighter than the MiG-21,” explained a senior IAF officer who is familiar with equipment policy. “By 2015, the first Tejas squadron will be ready for IAF. HAL’s assembly line will be free; while the Tejas Mark II finishes testing, HAL can build a second squadron with the GE-404 engine,” he added.

So far, the plan was to produce 12 twin-seater Tejas trainers after the first squadron was built. The new order will be for 18 single-seater and 2 twin-seater Tejas: exactly what equips a fighter squadron.

Here’s why IAF urgently needs that second squadron: Against a sanctioned requirement of 39.5 squadrons (each squadron has 21 fighters), IAF is now down to just 32 squadrons. By 2015, another six squadrons of MiG-21s and two squadrons of MiG-27s would have finished their service lives. Meanwhile, HAL is manufacturing Sukhoi-30MKIs, but the current production is just 14 per year. The mathematics is clear: By 2015, IAF will have just 29 squadrons of fighters.

Making this shortfall even more worrisome is the new requirement of five IAF squadrons for north-east India, as a result of an increased threat assessment from China. Senior IAF officers have recently declared that India actually needs 45 squadrons.

In this context, IAF cannot wait to induct the Tejas as the next light fighter, a role that the MiG-21 has long performed. Medium fighters are as urgently needed, and IAF is currently evaluating six aircraft for this role. But the new Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), even if the contract is placed expeditiously, is unlikely to enter service before 2015-16. Only in the heavy fighter segment is IAF well placed, with the superlative Sukhoi-30MKI steadily joining the fleet.

The Tejas is currently undergoing weapon trials to obtain its Initial Operational Clearance, most likely by early 2011. Then starts the two-year process for obtaining Final Operational Clearance, after which it can enter service in early 2013. Then, if HAL can deliver 10 Tejas fighters per year, the first squadron will be ready by the end of 2014. And, if all of that goes smoothly, the second Tejas squadron will join IAF by the end of 2016.

IAF has decided that No 45 Squadron, which operated MiG-21M fighters until they were recently retired, will be the first Tejas squadron. It will be based in Sulur, near Coimbatore. It is still not clear where the second Tejas squadron will be based.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/iaf-orders-more-tejas-lcas-to-replace-mig-21s/377296/

Indiens Luftwaffe bestellt weitere 20 Tejas (18 Einsitzer und 2 Trainer) für ein zweites Geschwader. Ursprünglich hat es in letzter Zeit danach ausgesehen, als wollte die IAF nach den bereits bestellten 20 Maschinen "nur" 12 weitere Trainer ordern, doch dies wurde nun wohl revidiert.

Als erstes Geschader wird das No. 45 Squadron in Sulur von MiG-21M auf das LCA umrüsten - wenn alles nach Plan läuft bei 10 Maschinen pro Jahr - und dann bis ende 2014 einsatzbereit sein. Welches die zweite Einheit sein soll, steht noch nicht fest.

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PS: Ich wioll jetzt nur endlich den Zweisitzer fliegen sehen !!!